January 4, 2012

What do these P-cities have in common?

From the Washington Post:
Portlandia, your 15 minutes are up. Long live Pittsburgh
By Maura Judkis 
Out: Portland
In: Pittsburgh. 
This year’s List has spoken, and writers Dan Zak and Monica Hesse have laid their anointed hands upon my hometown for 2012. Pittsburgh, Pa., is cool now. Sorry, Portland hipsters!
Portland, Ore., is the land of microbreweries, indie bands, bicyclists and rose gardens. 
Pittsburgh is often reviled by outsiders for its abrasive-sounding accent and rabid football fans. Portland has Portlandia, the hit comedy sketch show, while Pittsburgh just subs in as other cities in movies. Why did Listmakers Hesse and Zak bestow their blessings upon the latter? 
“Portland has overextended its welcome as the destination for hipsters who want to find themselves, while frolicking in beautiful scenery and reasonable rents,” says Hesse. “Pittsburgh is reasonable-rents, nice scenery, nice downtown, and the people are, in general, just far less insufferable.”

Coincidentally, among the "core cities" with the whitest populations, Portland is first at 74% and Pittsburgh is second at 67%. In contrast, Pittsburgh's Robber Baron-era rival Cleveland is only 37% white. But that doesn't have anything to do with why Pittsburgh is slowly becoming hip while Cleveland is stagnating. Don't even think that.

133 comments:

yinzer preservation act said...

Geez, "PDX" didn't last even 15 minutes... Even Seattle managed to hold on for a couple of television seasons

Anonymous said...

Honest and truly, as an Indian American Pittsburgher, ever since I moved here 12 years ago, I often thought that the city was getting gentrified, hipper and granola-ier every year. The city is whitopia, and surrounding areas are suburbia heaven. I kept telling my NJ relatives "I swear its becoming more and more like Portland, OR every year." I laughed internally when my child's principal apologized for the lack of diversity in the uber-white collar school district. Having been an iStever for umpteen years, I was perfectly happy with 95% white, 5% indian/asian. Every year another apple store and starbucks moves in, no kidding. Totally out of step with the traditional thinking of what Pittsburgh is.

The burghers do love their Steelers and Penguins though. I love the announcers who ironically announce how blue collar the town is, when I see most of the seats filled with my affluent suburban neighbors who drive in with their Escalades/Range Rovers/Cayennes to get to their $200/ each club level seats.

Anonymous said...

Pittsburgh has made the Economist and Rand-McNally's #1 "most livable city" in the most current rankings. It is also the "whitest" city in America when core + burbs are included. Coincidence? I think not.

Anonymous said...

On the other hand, many communities that are overwhelmingly white and conservative are dull, dull, and dull. I mean who thinks of Salt Lake City as cool?

For a city to be cool, it has to have liberal whites and enough blacks to play the music and enough other kinds of folks to open up trendy restaurants.

There are whole bunch of solid white majority big towns and small cities all across America, but they are pretty dull. But personally I don't mind dull. I like quiet.

Tom Cruise reference said...

Steve, you really missed out by not entitling this post "All the White Moves"

DaveinHackensack said...

The Financial Times published an article last month about how Pittsburgh was an economic model for having an unemployment rate below the national average. The article mentioned that the city had attracted tech industry jobs, etc., but it sort of buried the lede: you've got to read several paragraphs before you find out that Pittsburgh's population dropped by half over the last few decades. In other words, the city hemmorhaged jobs, but it hemmorhaged even more people (job seekers) so that it's unemployment rate dropped. Kind of tough to scale that nationally, no?

morleysafer said...

You also have all those new CMU biochemist/gay DJs. Depressing way of the world. I'm gonna close the door and blare some Donnie Iris

Anonymous said...

On the other hand, many communities that are overwhelmingly white and conservative are dull, dull, and dull. I mean who thinks of Salt Lake City as cool?

Omaha is 73% white and a hipster mecca. They eat it up. It only takes liken5 blacks per town to make an entire music scene "vibrant." Utah's problem, like Canada's, is culture, not race.

ben tillman said...

Pittsburgh is often reviled by outsiders for its abrasive-sounding accent and rabid football fans.

What planet are these people from? Few have any idea what a Pittsburgh accent sounds like, and those who do will tell you there's nothing abrasive about it.

Peter A said...

"I mean who thinks of Salt Lake City as cool?"

Lots of people. I am guessing you have never actually been to Salt Lake City. It is SWPL heaven - with great outdoor activities, coffee bars, good looking young people and some very good restaurants. It is no longer majority Mormon. And in real life most SWPLs would rather live next door to Mormons than NAMs. Funny how that works.

Reg Cæsar said...

"What do these P-cities have in common?"

Pallor.

Difference Maker said...

There are whole bunch of solid white majority big towns and small cities all across America, but they are pretty dull. But personally I don't mind dull. I like quiet.

Guns, babes and horses - sounds like fun to me!

Reg Cæsar said...

Oh, but note what they don't have in common: a major-league team in the same sport.

Even though between them, all four sports are represented.

The Pipers. The Condors. The Rosebuds. The Storm. Where are they now?

Truth said...

Oh hey, two whole thirds, huh? May as well be Vladivostok.

jody said...

the burgh is becoming more like the pacific northwest. it's true. this is a strange phenomenon to me, a native. i only go to the burgh once every few years, so i'm better able to see the changes in intervals. i might not notice it if i lived there and it was slowly happening every day, but every time i go back i notice it changed some more.

i didn't think it looked too great in the new batman trailers i've seen. i guess the city looks ok, but putting heinz field in the dark knight rises was a mistake.

the accent is pretty much gone. only old people have it. few young people pick it up. i think the city is not big enough to sustain an accent, when so many blue collar old timers are dying off, and lots of foreigners come in for CMU or university of pittsburgh, or to work at UPMC or in tech jobs. the accent is not nearly as annoying as a philadelphia accent. i'm glad i don't have it though, either way.

ron paul is from the burgh, and rick santorum moved to butler when he was a kid. so that iowa primary was weird for me.

Heliogabalus said...

"Cleveland is only 37% white... [and] is stagnating"

However, the 3 biggest cities are all less than 40% (non-Hispanic) white. Yet they don't seem to be stagnating.

Anonymous said...

So, to put it bluntly, this "vibrancy" and "diversity" so praised by NY Times writers really means "death" and "decay" so far as citylife is concerned.
Strange how perception are the opposite of truth.

Anonymous said...

This just in:

"Gunfire erupted as anti-drug police served a search warrant in an Ogden neighborhood, leaving six police officers and a suspect wounded in a shootout, authorities said."

Unanimous said...

Now you've done it. I'm hungry for a cold Iron City and a couple sticks of City Chicken

slumber_j said...

Cincinnati's a very similar city to Pittsburgh demographically (see the "core cities" link), and right down the Ohio River. But no dice on mass hipsterization in the Queen City. I think there must be something else going on here...

As someone else pointed out, Pittsburgh has hemorrhaged people for decades. Is this more of a cheap-housing story? Dunno.

Anonymous said...

@DaveinHackensack

The "city" population shrinking by half is true misleading because it confuses the meaning of "city". It is true that the city. very narrowly defined, has shrunk from 600K to about 300K. There's more to the story though. The core city municipal boundary is very small and the region population has been more or less stable. So those Burghers became Burbers.

In fact there are something like 130 (very) separate municipalities in Allegheny County and 7 counties in the metro region. Quite literally you can be in any of several neighboring counties with a 30 minute (non rush hour) drive from downtown.

Now, over the past 40 years the metro population has been stable while others in the USA have grown, so Pittsburgh's ranking has dropped out of the top 10, then the top 20. But that's from standing still not shrinking.

Anonymous said...

All the obnoxious sounding Pittburghers that are rabid Steelers and Penguins fans all live in Ohio, unfortunately. Going to any restaurant with sports on big screens on Sunday afternoons makes this readily apparent, Steeler fans are almost as numerous as Browns fans. Although the contrast with Cleveland is definitely apparent, think of the contrast with Detroit. Detroit the other quintessential rust belt one industry town is what 8% White? Not a lot of rich urban single yuppies praising the hipness and diversity of Detroit these days are there? UGGGHHH, THOUGHT CRIME

Anonymous said...

I wouldn't waste my time on Pittsburgh, emerging demographics and all. All is not lost, however, I'm sure the Pitt has more than its fair share of Steak n Lubes.

Anonymous said...

the usa will soon be a nation of color

Anonymous said...

Isn't Ron Paul from Pittsburgh?

Camlost said...

I laughed internally when my child's principal apologized for the lack of diversity in the uber-white collar school district.

You should have countered by apologizing for the lack of "vibrant dysfunction" across his student body.

Anonymous said...

For a city to be cool, it has to have liberal whites and enough blacks to play the music


Because nothing says "This person has musical talent" like dark skin.

Anonymous said...

Just started reading your blog and am struck by how much you rely on sarcasm and snark since if you were to write plainly what it is you're saying you would sound racist.

That is all.

Peter A said...

Where did this idea come from that blacks make a music scene "vibrant"? It is telling that the SWPL musical oases - Portland, Seattle, Boston, Montreal - don't include a lot of black musicians. The days when eager young white kids went to learn at the feet of black blues players are more than 40 years in the past. Cities with vibrant black musical scenes - New Orleans, Atlanta, DC - are not SWPL magnets and don't produce much in the way of bands that SWPLs listen to. Austin, TX may be one great counter example. But even in NYC or LA the white and black music scenes tend to stay pretty segregated. Musical tastes are a great example of the thesis that liberal whites love black people, but hate black culture, while prole whites hate black people but love black culture.

SGOTI said...

LMFAO! "Donnie Iris" and the ridiculous, but endearing, Picksburgh accent. Does it even follow any orthographic rules? Ya'll makes sense, but "yinz" or however it's spelled?!?!

I was dragged there from down South for a short time as a kid when my father did research at one of the universities. To say I was a stranger in a strange land as a Southron is an understatement.

But looking back I liked the people- although they are very parochial- and realized what amazing amenities Pittsburgh has for a city its size (the museums are just world class, as are the universities, and the sports teams have rich winning histories). And that view as you drive in from the airport from one of the tunnels.

Went back on extended business a few years ago, and it cemented my opinions. It does feel a bit old/run down, but wholesome and almost a time capsule of a past (better) America. I think Charlie Daniels got it about right.

Portland, another former frequent business destination, is just so effing smug. Nice scenery though.

ironrailsironweights said...

I wouldn't be so sure that Cleveland is stagnating. Just yesterday I was listing to a fine-dining travel piece on the radio, and it said that the Cleveland is becoming something of a restaurant mecca. In the last few years the number of restaurants in the downtown area has doubled. Generally speaking, a trend of this sort wouldn't exist unless the whole city is on an upswing.

Peter

Matt said...

Would I rather have black people or white hipsters? I'll take the blacks.

Ray Sawhill said...

My wife and I visited Pittsburgh about five years ago and loved the city. Loads of character, terrific housing stock, fun neighborhoods, sensible prices, a real downtown, and a sizable (and refreshingly unpretentious and likable) hipster scene. One of our NYC media buddies keeps a house there because he loves it so much. Word's getting out, I guess. Too bad about the weather, though.

FWIW, I'm guessing that the next hipster paradise to get generally recognized will be Louisville. If we loved Pittsburgh, we double-loved Louisville, which has everything good that Pittsburgh has plus bourbon, amazing food, sweet people and loads of southern charm.

John D said...

Lots of people. I am guessing you have never actually been to Salt Lake City. It is SWPL heaven - with great outdoor activities, coffee bars, good looking young people and some very good restaurants. It is no longer majority Mormon. And in real life most SWPLs would rather live next door to Mormons than NAMs. Funny how that works.

As to SLC being uncool, I bet it's only a matter of time before it becomes a SWPL paradise. There aren't that many bigger cities that aren't yet enriched by diversity left. SWPLs will move there in droves, enjoy the good life (while lamenting the horrible lack of diversity) until diversity visits SLC good and hard. Whitopias will end up being in less hospitable climates though. All the good climate places are already ruined. And each new Whitopia place will have its short lived day in the sun, because... they will follow. Denver is already well into its transition to being Los Angeles-like.

Dan Kurt said...

re: Pittsburgh

Two things eviscerated the Burg according to my late Dad.

1) The Steelworkers Union thanks to Democrat politicians, federal, state, and local, who gave in to their every demand killed the Steel industry. Case in point: an interstate bridge over the Ohio river was built with structural steel members made in Korea. Location of the bridge was just a few miles from Ambridge, Pennsylvania where the once massive U.S. Steel American Bridge Works plant was sited. The union victories had resulted in steel costs so high that a steel producer in North Asia could produce and deliver structural steel cheaper by far than a firm in walking distance from the bridge site.

2) Urban Renewal obliterated jobs and workers' neighborhoods. Case in point: Oddly here in the North West my next store neighbor for the last 25 years is an ex-Pittsburger. He grew up in Manchester a region in Pittsburgh that was blue collar and filled with small, medium and large industry. Today it is the location of its Football and Baseball stadia and a gambling casino at one end and mostly hardly developed cleared ground running North for miles. Urban renewal "clear cut" virtually all of Manchester and adjacent Woods Run circa forty years ago, uprooting businesses and neighborhoods that so far never have recovered. My neighbor is still livid about it all these years later.

Dan Kurt

Anonymous said...

" the principal apologized for the lack of diversity in the uber-white school district"..

Only whites would do this. Imagine a black "apologizing" for there being too many blacks in his area.

Noah172 said...

OK, I have never been to Pittsburgh, so can a resident please enlighten me:

The census figures show the city's population still in decline (more than 8% 2000-2010) and becoming less, not more white: the 2010 numbers show that it is 65, not 67, percent white -- small difference, I know, but indicative of the overall trend. Those cool NYT interactive maps that Steve told us about, in which you can check out census tracts for change in population and racial composition, show most of Pittsburgh's census tracts losing white residents.

How do we reconcile these data with these stories of hipsterization?

Hamilton said...

I have never noticed a Pittsburgh accent and there are a lot of former Burghers living in my area of the country. Without a doubt, the most abrasive and annoying accent is the Michigan/Northwestern Ohio accent.

Maya said...

Truth,

I'd rather live in an American ghetto than in Vladivostok. The ghetto dwellers haven't managed to turn the US into provincial Russia yet. And "two whole thirds" is great; makes one feel all kinds of expertly on diversity and streetwise while still living in a functioning environment. Well, you know. After all, from what I've read here, you chose to live in New Mexico instead of West Memphis.

Maya said...

"Lots of people. I am guessing you have never actually been to Salt Lake City. It is SWPL heaven - with great outdoor activities, coffee bars, good looking young people and some very good restaurants. It is no longer majority Mormon. And in real life most SWPLs would rather live next door to Mormons than NAMs. Funny how that works."

...and they have a refugee population that's growing fast. I've been considering SLC for my upcoming escape, but the extreme pay cut I'd have to endure would absolutely have to be balanced by functional students. I'm not sure I'd want to grow roots in a city that pays crap, and has a substantial fertile population of young refugees, not as a teacher.

Svigor said...

For a city to be cool, it has to have liberal whites and enough blacks to play the music and enough other kinds of folks to open up trendy restaurants.

There are whole bunch of solid white majority big towns and small cities all across America, but they are pretty dull. But personally I don't mind dull. I like quiet.


Arrow of causation = reversed.

Londoner said...

OT - minor but interesting race controversy on this side of the Atlantic. Veteran (bitterly anti-white) Labour MP Dianne Abbott has asserted that "white people love to play divide-and-rule". Apparently as part of a discussion on 19th-century European colonialism - which makes her choice of the present tense confusing. She's a shadow health minister who once complained about "blonde-haired, blue-eyed" Finnish nurses working at hospitals in her largely black constituency.

The background is the conviction two days ago of two white men for the murder in 1993 of a black teenager. A genuine "hate crime", it has to be said, but the media revelling in the capture of the great white defendants (in reality underclass scum) has been predictably indulgent. It's always been obvious how much she hates white civilization but the media frenzy of the past few days has obviously made her feel empowered - especially after the humiliation of the riots last summer.

Mac said...

I skim Georgist materials online... I could be wrong, but doesn't Pittsburgh levy a land value tax? Or at least a property tax that falls heavier on land than buildings?

Captain Jack Aubrey said...

"On the other hand, many communities that are overwhelmingly white and conservative are dull, dull, and dull. I mean who thinks of Salt Lake City as cool? For a city to be cool, it has to have liberal whites and enough blacks to play the music and enough other kinds of folks to open up trendy restaurants."

The fact is that most of the music writing and playing, and most of the trendy-restaurant-opening - in ANY city - is being done by them there whites.

Conservative whites aren't boring. They're just more likely to be at home raising their families. Vibrant, liberal cities are population sinks - at least for the whites busy making them vibrant.

"I am guessing you have never actually been to Salt Lake City. It is SWPL heaven - with great outdoor activities, coffee bars, good looking young people and some very good restaurants."

SLC downtown is a little on the small side, but otherwise, yes. Going back to the "are liberals or conservatives fatter" thread, Utah is one of the ten fittest states in the country

Marc B said...

Buffalo, NY is easily one of the most hipster-friendly cities in the US, but it's current demographics will likely keep it from ever becoming the Portland of the Rust Belt. I lived there for a few years after fleeing the SWPL haven the entire Colorado Front Range of Colorado had become by the late 1990's. The people are by far the most likable and personable folks (and least pretentious) I have met anywhere in the US. Even self-described liberals there have no problem expressing race-realist sentiments, at least in hushed tones.

Anonymous said...

Did Psychopaths Take Over Wall Street Asylum?

sestamibi said...

My first visit to Pittsburgh was back in Jan 1979 heading back to Minnesota right after my father's funeral in NJ. I spent all of two hours there at night and it was about 4 below zero. Still I vowed to get back eventually to get a better look.

I finally did that with my fiance in 1996. It was beautiful--lots of hills and woods. We went to Heinz Hall to see the Pittsburgh Symphony, Carnegie-Mellon U, the Andy Warhol Museum, and the PPG Center.

I can see the Portland potential, without the high cost and pretentiousness.

Captain Jack Aubrey said...

The data on "whitest" cities don't mean much to me because they generally don't factor in the metro area. Salt Lake City, for example, is only 62% white according to the 2010 census, but it feels a lot whiter because that 62% applies only to the city itself (pop. 186,000) while the metro area is 6 times larger (1,124,000). Pittsburgh's metro population is 8 times larger than the city itself.

In Salt Lake and probably most other cities, downtowns are now almost exclusively the province of government, arts, and service-oriented businesses with educated workers in law, media, finance, architecture, and the like. Manufacturing and warehousing has been banished to industrial parks, old and new, often several miles away, and often in completely different cities, like West Valley City, which is less than 40% white. Minorities may live within Salt Lake City limits, but only in the run-down old neighborhoods that feel even further from downtown than they atually are.

Married, educated whites pour into downtown for the workday. Single, eduated whites pour in afterwards for the nightlife. Even hotels can make a city feel whiter - there are over a dozen large, fancy hotels in downtown SLC, and I'd wager over 96% of the guests are white or Asian. These are the people you see at restaurants, shops, arts and sports venues, and walking the streets.

Poor Hispanics and blacks may venture in to cities to work invisibly, as janitors, cooks, and the like, but after work they slink off to their homes in the run-down old 'burbs. They have no money to spend, so even on lunch breaks you don't see them out much. With Nintendo, cable TV, the internet, and heat and A/C in all but the poorest homes, they have little incentive to leave.

jim said...

"enough blacks to play the music "

Huh? Black don't paly music anymore, except for aging bluesmen, who can be imported to the local hip place. SWPLtopias need the "idea" of blackness without the reality.

Anonymous said...

Please send help. My neighbors are a bunch of white trash hicks who believe they are upper middle class. I've begun to suspect we're already a classless society. Is this true? Did the Ruskies win after all?

beowulf said...

Better question is how are they different? It all goes back to affordable family formation. Portland has a very high zoning tax and Pittsburgh a very low one.

"Theoretically, homes could sell for a little higher than what they'd cost to construct (the cost of the land plus the cost of the construction, and a small profit for the developer), Edward Glaeser of Harvard and Joe Gyourko of the University of Pennsylvania wrote in a 2002 study. They were trying to figure out why housing in some urban areas is far more expensive than the cost of construction. Their answer? A "zoning tax" ups the price. A "zoning tax" is their term for the web of housing regulations and hurdles developers must jump through (including satisfying neighborhood groups and historic landmark commissions) in order to build.
http://www.portlandmercury.com/portland/the-big-picture/Content?oid=39589

pong said...

I don't think anyone would deny that a white city is better to live in; all that they'd say is, that the underclass hasn't been given whatever it is needs for it to do as well as whites + asians.

Anthony said...

Both Pittsburgh and Detroit saw major population declines. So why did blacks stay in Detroit but move away from Pittsburgh?

ATBOTL said...

PGH is the only major American city with virtually no Hispanics.

Andalucian said...

"For a city to be cool, it has to have liberal whites and enough blacks to play the music and enough other kinds of folks to open up trendy restaurants."

Paris, Florence, Rome, St. Petersburg, even London, are not tourist draws because they have people of color. It's because they haven't had (many) and were created without them.

Evil Sandmich said...

Robber Baron-era rival Cleveland is only 37% white.

As a Clevelander I have to point out that this is white enough to keep Cleveland from becoming Detroit!

Anonymous said...

Economist and Rand-McNally's #1 "most livable city" i
what's hilarious is one of the measurements money mag and others use to gauge the 'best' cities is diversity - thus whiter cities and towns get downgraded.

Jacob Roberson said...

Pittsburgh must've changed. This is all I remember, but it's been... 8 1/2 years?

Anonymous said...

If you want to turn a city into an white monoculti wasteland, play classical music 24/7 from speakers set up in all the public places -- especially bus stops.

Mel Torme said...

Hey Steve, I know you only answer comments randomly, but I figure you have a good reason to know about this due to your connection with VDare.com

Everything you (and commentors) wrote about Pittsburg reminds me of Joe Guzzardi, the writer for VDare (he had a career of teaching English as a 2nd language to immigrants). Joe wrote about his move from his longtime home in Lodi, in the San Juaquin valley of CA, to Pittsburg, PA.

Joe said he really missed the weather, and who wouldn't, but he was glad to be in a location with a whole lot less diversity.

My question is simply: what happened to Joe Guzzardi? I haven't seen any articles from him in a really long time, and I'm worried he got sick or something.

(I know I could write to VDare, but if they couldn't even get their website to open in Firefox for 2 or 3 months, I don't know if they're up on the whole email reply thing.)

I hope you reply, Steve, cause I'm concerned about the guy. He was a good writer in my opinion.

Ed said...

One of the better Negro League teams played in Pittsburgh, so it used to have a larger African-American population.

One of the commentators caught on that the Pittsburgh renaissance is something of a scam. The jobs didn't come back, the city just shrunk to a size appropriate for a deindustrialized city with a rural hinterland. Detroit will wind up doing OK when its population drops to the level of Milwaukee or Buffalo, and yes if you are curious alot of the African-Americans will eventually relocate. But there are problems with scaling this to the entire United States.

Also western Pennsylvania is swinging really sharply towards the Republicans, while Oregon has trended Democratic in recent decades.

Anonymous said...

Slightly OT: Couldn't any person who retaliated against one person for not having sex with yet another person be considered a pimp and prosecuted as such?

Anonymous said...

An executive from Seattle moved to Pittsburgh recently and was shocked at how similar the two cities were. I say its the overwhelming influence of CMU and its grads, which has completely changed the city.

Anonymous said...

"Oh, but note what they don't have in common: a major-league team in the same sport.

Even though between them, all four sports are represented."

Five. Portland Timbers in MLS; rabid football fans of another sort. Very SWPL but lots of fun: google Timbers Army.

jody said...

"PGH is the only major American city with virtually no Hispanics."

when i left in 1995 there were, literally, zero. every time i come back, there are still close to zero. less than 1%.

for me it was very hard 10 years ago when the national debate began about the immivasion, and hearing moron talking heads telling me that "nothing would get done" without a total mexican invasion. "America would collapse without millions of mexicans everywhere," i was told.

yet there just weren't any at all in pennsylvania when i grew up, and everything got done, and the state was nice, and well run. good amenities and state parks, good universities, famous people and personalities, great sports - one of the best states for sports in america - and lots of decent food. there were even some mexican restaurants - with zero mexicans.

how mexicans would be required to improve pennsylania was beyond me, when the "jobs americans won't do" and "vibrancy" national campaigns were in full effect by 2000.

Anonymous said...

This just in: Swedish police "baffled" by the gang violence in Malmo!

Andalucian said...

"enough blacks to play the music "

Huh? Black don't paly music anymore, except for aging bluesmen, who can be imported to the local hip place. SWPLtopias need the "idea" of blackness without the reality."

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. The idea that blacks "play music" is left-over ideation from the first 3/4 of the 20th century. Now they shake their butts, gesture obscenely, and mouth dead-eyed strings of more or less rhyming words that sound filthy even when they're not. And when they are they really are. Music? I think not.
At one time that was true, although even then there wasn't much romance in the music. I'm always surprised how many Motown hits were written by whites. Still, blacks were writing songs too, but admitted that they increased the "romantic" themes to appeal to white audiences.
Worked like a charm. There is musical talent there, but when they've taken over more than half a city, it doesn't matter.

Rohan Swee said...

John D: Whitopias will end up being in less hospitable climates though. All the good climate places are already ruined.

Even whitopias with miserable weather are under the gun - see, e.g., Minneapolis. I don't think you can blame the hipsters for setting the wrecking process in motion there, though. Minneapolitans seem to be doing it to their own selves.

And each new Whitopia place will have its short lived day in the sun, because... they will follow. Denver is already well into its transition to being Los Angeles-like.

It'll be fascinating (in that train-wreck sort of way) to watch this process over the next few decades. On some barely sub-conscious level the hipsters must know that their migrations to the Next SWPL Oasis are a manifestation of "white-tropy". At the same time they pretty much consciously set in motion processes that destroy whitopia. What happens when their whitetropism runs out of whitopias to move toward? (Sheesh, if they're already giving Omaha the treatment, Omaha for cryin' out loud, where will it all end?)

NOTA said...

The thing about Salt Lake City (and Utah more generally) that always strikes me is the much larger number of children/teenagers/young families, and how that shapes everything else. A society with lots of kids just feels more dynamic and alive and healthy than one with few kids--the tone is set more by parents bringing their four kids to a kid-friendly restaurant than by a young childless couple going out to the trendiest night spots, or the old retired couple going to an elegant restaurant for a quiet evening together. For that reason, Utah almost seems like a different country than the East Coast.

Anonymous said...

Isn't it wonderful how San Francisco has appointed their first Hispanic DA!

And, he's so white, and he wife is even whiter.

Anonymous said...

Yup, just as I said, the superrich corpies and banks are rolling out the dough just as 2012 election yr rolls around.

icr said...

"Detroit will wind up doing OK when its population drops to the level of Milwaukee or Buffalo, and yes if you are curious alot of the African-Americans will eventually relocate. But there are problems with scaling this to the entire United States."

Detroit will only improve if and when a very large chunk of FEDGOV is relocated there. See the example of DC and compare THAT example with the case of Baltimore.

Plenty of blacks have moved out of Detroit during the long period of decline-just not nearly enough.

Anonymous said...

Our punishment for the predatory lending of Countrywide and co is send a bunch of money to leftist groups.

PublicSphere said...

You haven't been reading iSteve for very long, have you?

Heads up, friend: pronouncing the "r-word anathema" doesn't work around here. This blog and its readers are actually willing to investigate ideas of the "true, but unpopular and offensive" variety, which is supposed to be what academic tenure was about.

_______________

"Just started reading your blog and am struck by how much you rely on sarcasm and snark since if you were to write plainly what it is you're saying you would sound racist."

DaveinHackensack said...

Steve,

What's the golf course situation in the Pittsburgh area? Not a big golfer, but I remember wondering about that the last time I traveled to Pittsburgh, as the topography there seemed like it would be nice for golf.

Svigor said...

1) The Steelworkers Union thanks to Democrat politicians, federal, state, and local, who gave in to their every demand killed the Steel industry. Case in point: an interstate bridge over the Ohio river was built with structural steel members made in Korea. Location of the bridge was just a few miles from Ambridge, Pennsylvania where the once massive U.S. Steel American Bridge Works plant was sited. The union victories had resulted in steel costs so high that a steel producer in North Asia could produce and deliver structural steel cheaper by far than a firm in walking distance from the bridge site.

I'm not going to defend unions, but I will point out that they're only half the problem. The other half of the problem is slave labor in Asia. If we don't use some kind of "protectionism," we're going to lose these kinds of battles for a long time (until Asia achieves economic parity with the west at the per capita level). I don't see why we shouldn't tax imports based on some kind of index. E.g., your country lets employers pay peanuts, scoff at health care or benefits of any kind, pay super-low taxes, and operate essentially without safety regulations? Well, that needs to go into an import tax, IMO.

Obviously, the other half is keeping our own added costs of doing business down to a reasonable level.

Kylie said...

"the usa will soon be a nation of color"

Detroit is already a city of color. How's that working out?

Truth said...

"Two things eviscerated the Burg according to my late Dad.

1) The Steelworkers Union thanks to Democrat politicians, federal, state, and local, who gave in to their every demand killed the Steel industry. Case in point: an interstate bridge over the Ohio river was built with structural steel members made in Korea."

The unions, any type of American union, had no choice, because they did it cheaper overseas, and guys like your Dad's son shop at Wal-Mart.

Truth said...

"After all, from what I've read here, you chose to live in New Mexico instead of West Memphis."

Albuquerque is roughly 44% white.

Truth said...

"The fact is that most of the music writing and playing, and most of the trendy-restaurant-opening - in ANY city - is being done by them there whites."

Hahahahahaha;

What about Lloyd Marcus, I know you play his albums on the way to work!

Truth said...

" The people are by far the most likable and personable folks (and least pretentious) I have met anywhere in the US. Even self-described liberals there have no problem expressing race-realist sentiments..."

Certainly a prime component in any measure of "likeability" and "personality."

Anonymous said...

I lived in Colorado for about 10 years, and my office for some reason seemed to get a lot of Pennsylvanians - most from the Pittsburgh area. Not sure why that was, since our company didn't have any Pennsylvania ties.

Colorado is probably one of the nicest states I've lived in, but a lot of the Pennsylvanians wound up moving back. All anecdotal, of course, but it speaks better for the place than its media reputation suggests.

Truth said...

"Everything you (and commentors) wrote about Pittsburg reminds me of Joe Guzzardi, the writer for VDare (he had a career of teaching English as a 2nd language to immigrants)."

Whoa, now there's a proud, V-Dare, Secure the Borders, conservative!

Truth said...

"....and hearing moron talking heads telling me that "nothing would get done" without a total mexican invasion. "America would collapse without millions of mexicans everywhere," i was told."

There weren't any computers in 1995 either, Joe-Ski, I think people might have a hard time without them now though.

Anonymous said...

"Paris, Florence, Rome, St. Petersburg, even London, are not tourist draws because they have people of color. It's because they haven't had (many) and were created without them."

But they draw people for PAST ACHIEVEMENTS. Modern city life relies on NEW and FRESH things, and white liberals love Jazz and soul and Afro-pop and all that stuff. They dig black creativity, which is why having SOME blacks is good for urban cultural life. But most blacks are not artistic, and that's why having too many blacks is bad for a city. Even white libs know this, which is why they are so eager to nurture and embrace Obama and the like in their own community while pushing out the 'youths' to outlying white suburbs via section 8 housing.

ben tillman said...

"Gunfire erupted as anti-drug police served a search warrant in an Ogden neighborhood, leaving six police officers and a suspect wounded in a shootout, authorities said."

It doesn't take 6 officers to serve a search warrant. The cops were probably illegally assaulting the resident.

beowulf said...

Ed Rendall established some kind of mega-tax credit for movies filmed in Pennsylvania. Lot of movies shot Pittsburgh in the last few years including Adventureland, She's Out of My League and The Next Three Days and apparently much of the upcoming Batman movie.

the internet said...

Re: Londoner's comment about Diane Abbott - an article with the context and outcome:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2082527/Diane-Abbott-Twitter-race-row-MP-faces-calls-resign-racist-tweet.html

At least contrary to what some whites say, the reaction to racism isn't all one way - she was forced to apologize (at the least, so far).

Anonymous said...

SLC is doing everything it can, as fast as it can, to lose the character several of the posters above have alluded to, in its headlong rush to vibrancy. When I moved there as a child in the 80's, the Mexican restaurants were terrible - who puts ketchup in a taco?

However, it was super cheap, safe, boring, and everyone got a great public education and a job.

Nowadays, I visit every couple of years. The Mexican restaurants are way better. However, the schools are staggeringly worse, the infrastructure too small and old for a permanently surging population, and half of the valley looks like Santa Ana (with dirty snow). The wages are shit for everyone. Progress!

Truth said...

Better Pittsburgh than Philly Y'ALL WHITE FOLKS IZ CRAAAYZEE!

Anonymous said...

Haven't been to Pittsburgh for 20 years. Back then there were African-American panhandlers in the city center who could spot a foreign tourist from 100 yards - something I hadn't found in LA or Chicago. Is it different now?

Anonymous said...

The reader commentary on the following new article is just overwhelmingly enthusiastic:


Microsoft Patents ‘Avoid Ghetto’ Feature For GPS Devices
January 6, 2012 6:29 AM
seattle.cbslocal.com

Microsoft has been granted a patent for its “avoid ghetto” feature for GPS devices.

A GPS device is used to find shortcuts and avoid traffic, but Microsoft’s patent states that a route can be plotted for pedestrians to avoid an “unsafe neighborhood or being in an open area that is subject to harsh temperatures”...






[This is a real story, BTW, not an Onion parody.]

Anonymous said...

Truth lives in Albuquerque:

3.5% African American. Lots of Hispanic vibrancy but not much of the even more vibrant, vibrancy that his people bring.

DaveinHackensack said...

"I'm not going to defend unions, but I will point out that they're only half the problem. The other half of the problem is slave labor in Asia. If we don't use some kind of "protectionism," we're going to lose these kinds of battles for a long time (until Asia achieves economic parity with the west at the per capita level). I don't see why we shouldn't tax imports based on some kind of index. E.g., your country lets employers pay peanuts, scoff at health care or benefits of any kind, pay super-low taxes, and operate essentially without safety regulations? Well, that needs to go into an import tax, IMO."

See Howard Richman's proposal for a Scaled Tariff. According to him, it would even be legal under international law.

Dennis Dale said...

Who will be the Last Whitopia?

Anonymous said...

Reply to Londoner:

Your posts are interesting. I can't think of one single advantage or benefit Britain gained by letting blacks settle there. Can you?

JSM said...

"Albuquerque is roughly 44% white."

Not according to what Wikipedia reports the 2010 Census says.




"Census 2010 data



"The racial makeup of the city was:
70% White
3.3% Black or African American
4.5% Native American
3.2% Asian
0.11% Pacific Islander
15.03% from other races
4.6% Multiracial (two or more races)[27]
46.7% of the population were Hispanics or Latinos (of any race)[27]"

How come you live in a city with a population of ONLY 3.3 percent black?


(As a point of interest, that 46.7% Hispanic of any race? Yeah. New Mexico has a very sizable population of long-established, some from as far back as the 1600s, "Hispanic" families who are almost entirely full-blooded Spaniards, that is to say, WHITE, and will tell you so, vociferously.
So even Truth, who makes such an anti-racist racket around these parts, chooses as his neighbors a "diversity" which, upon closer inspection, turns out to be amazingly pallid.)

Whiskey said...

I'm with Svigor here. We need protectionism and the idea that Whites can endless flee what "Paul Kersey" at SBDL calls the Black Undertow (or the Hispanic one) is a fantasy. Eventually you run out of places to flee to.

And at least a goodly part of our problem is related to a lack of protectionism. Protectionism is as old and as wise as Alexander Hamilton. Blacks are certainly capable of working hard in factories to produce quality goods -- they did so in the twenties, thirties, and forties, and fifties. That requires protection from cheap Chinese and Indian labor.

Firm Mu Sigma (watch by site tomorrow for a post on this) raised around $150 million in VC funding, and they provide analytics. They employ roughly 1500 people ... in Bangalore. They train people for ... three months and then work on Fortune 500 Company data to produce analysis in detail. Its the Fast Food version of data analysis. Done by the lowest cost labor imaginable (I shudder to think of the quality of the research).

The "Knowledge Economy" is as vulnerable as blue collar workers to this stuff. All those CMU grads are up against Mu Sigma folks in Bangalore getting a whole three months of statistical training.

Whiskey said...

Let me add I have some sympathy and affection for Cleveland. Its so underdog you have to have some sympathy. They bet their entire economy ... on LeBron James.

Reg Cæsar said...

Five. Portland Timbers in MLS; rabid football fans of another sort. --anon

I said major league teams. There is no major-league soccer in North America-- nor much in South. In fact, almost all top-flight soccer is played in two adjacent time zones.

You rarely see MLS gear in my non-MLS city. But plenty of English, Italian and Spanish badges.

(However, I apparently have the only Man City scarf in town. Good investment.)

Anonymous said...

Funny that Sailer never comments about those cities in Mississippi and Arkansas that are 95% white and yet show zero creativity. The sins of Mexicans are forgivable when it comes to white people to Sailer.

I have said it before and I will say it again: Sailer's blog is nothing more than being about creating excuses to justify stopping Latin immigration which are nothing more than a façade for covering the true reason for why he doesen't want Latins: because he simply doesen't like them. All the "faults" that he sees in Mexicans immgrants are seen on the bottom half of white Americans, but Sailer doesen't suggest kicking them out, castrating them or euthanizing them. Epic bias. Epic prejudice. Epic just being a callous, foul person.

beowulf said...

"I skim Georgist materials online... I could be wrong, but doesn't Pittsburgh levy a land value tax? Or at least a property tax that falls heavier on land than buildings?"

They used to have the latter but stopped because county assessors kept screwing up the city assessments. Altoona PA is the one of the few (if only) US city that has a pure land value tax, it just finished phasing in last year.
72 percent of residential parcels - not including vacant lots - got a cut, according to the study... Most of the "screaming" came from those with vacant lots, according to Baldner. Their properties were in the crosshairs of the increase... Vacant lot owners have filed several tax appeals...
http://www.altoonamirror.com/page/content.detail/id/555412.html

Winston Churchill was a fan of land value taxation.
Roads are made, streets are made, services are improved, electric light turns night into day, water is brought from reservoirs a hundred miles off in the mountains -- and all the while the landlord sits still. Every one of those improvements is effected by the labor and cost of other people and the taxpayers. To not one of those improvements does the land monopolist, as a land monopolist, contribute, and yet by every one of them the value of his land is enhanced. He renders no service to the community, he contributes nothing to the general welfare, he contributes nothing to the process from which his own enrichment is derived.
http://www.progress.org/banneker/chur.html

Appeal denied! :o)

Anonymous said...

The reader commentary on the following new article is just overwhelmingly enthusiastic

Man, I am reading the comments on that article, and it is like iSteve on steroids.

I don't think that The Powers That Be [TPTB] quite realize yet just how fed-up normal folk are with NAM misbehavior.

As in "Dad gummit, I have had it 'up to here' with this nonsense!!!"

Boy are TPTB gonna be in for a surprise when the SHTF.

Luke Lea said...

@ - Did Psychopaths Take Over Wall Street Asylum?

Interesting article. Keep in mind however that joint-stock, publicly-traded corporations are themselves "sociopathic" institutions by their very charters.

They are legal persons with free-speech rights (thanks to Citizens United) but are without conscience, rarely admit guilt, and cannot go to jail. Concern for the public welfare, loyalty to country, patriotism, are incompatible with their mission, which is to make as much money as possible under the existing rules of the game.

To have a sociopath running a sociopathic institution may lead to more looting and fraud, at the expense of share-holders, but does not get at the root of the problem, which is legislative in origin.

It's the rules of the game that have to change -- in the areas of trade (GATT), immigration enforcement, overseas tax havens, and, of course, the Citizens United ruling.

The devil is in the saddle and it will be hard to get him off.

Anonymous said...

But they draw people for PAST ACHIEVEMENTS. Modern city life relies on NEW and FRESH things, and white liberals love Jazz and soul and Afro-pop and all that stuff. They dig black creativity, which is why having SOME blacks is good for urban cultural life.
is london better because there are blacks now?
is Florence.
Creativity flourishes in SMALL HOMOGENEOUS cities - compare Athens, Florence, Edinburgh (18th century) elizabethian london, spain AFTER they kicked out the jews and moors.. compare that to multiculti ottman empire.. who produced more great art? (and the sultan would constantly import whitey artists from italy, including bellinni)

Anonymous said...

Who will be the Last Whitopia?

I would say Vermont, except we've got this growing Somali refugee population that I keep seeing. Maine is the same way. We weren't vibrant enough, apparently.

Anonymous said...

"Better Pittsburgh than Philly"

LoL because that makes up for all the flash mobs.

Somehow.

In your mind.

Svigor said...

But they draw people for PAST ACHIEVEMENTS. Modern city life relies on NEW and FRESH things, and white liberals love Jazz and soul and Afro-pop and all that stuff. They dig black creativity, which is why having SOME blacks is good for urban cultural life. But most blacks are not artistic, and that's why having too many blacks is bad for a city. Even white libs know this, which is why they are so eager to nurture and embrace Obama and the like in their own community while pushing out the 'youths' to outlying white suburbs via section 8 housing.

Arrow of causation = still reversed.

Blacks wind up in these places because they're "hip."

Anonymous said...

"I don't think that The Powers That Be [TPTB] quite realize yet just how fed-up normal folk are with NAM misbehavior."

NAM misbehavior is NOTHING compared to NEC misbehavior.

Truth said...

"How come you live in a city with a population of ONLY 3.3 percent black?"

The same reason Svigor lives in a city that's 60% black, family and weather (Plus it's a pretty nice spot).

Truth said...

"So even Truth, who makes such an anti-racist racket around these parts, chooses as his neighbors a "diversity" which, upon closer inspection, turns out to be amazingly pallid.)"

First of all the numbers are misleading; practically ALL of the old Spanish families are mixed with Indian blood,(although I would have to fight if I told them that, it's true), and secondly, when did I ever make an "anti-racist racket" no, I make and "anti-stupidity racket." Your stupidity will ultimately be my problem, your "racism" is yours.

Truth said...

"Blacks wind up in these places because they're "hip."

No, places become "hip"* at least historically because black people bring a vibe, a music, a desire to be out past 5:00, and yes a dangerous excitement and a "vice" that white people are attracted to.

The recent Swipple version of "hip", e.g; Portland/Pittsburgh/Vancouver, I don't see attracting many African-Americans.

*(BTW, I don't know if there is a less "hip" word in the English language, than "hip" itself, at this point.)

Kylie said...

"I don't think that The Powers That Be [TPTB] quite realize yet just how fed-up normal folk are with NAM misbehavior."

They're fed up not only with NAM misbehavior (if you want to characterize rampant ongoing criminality in that rather quaint way) but also with TPTB and DWL's enabling, encouraging and excusing it.

Anonymous said...

"The sins of Mexicans are forgivable when it comes to white people to Sailer. "

The thing about lower class whites is that while they may indulge in what others consider depraved behavior, they mostly stay within the bounds of legal behavior. Hispanics may have firm ideas about traditional, acceptable behavior but they could care less about staying within the bounds of the law if this is at all inconvenient for them.

Less dysfunctional whites will, indeed, overlook huge amounts of creepiness in a white guy who pays his speeding tickets, rarely takes government aid and stays off meth.

Dennis Dale said...

...but Sailer doesen't suggest kicking them out

Well no, they kind of have a right to be here. It's called citizenship.
So importing Mexicans who, as you readily admit, share their lack of accomplishment and creativity (and doing this illegally, for f--- sake!) does not improve but degrade their lot, along with their fellow chicano and black citizens.
Your having a sentimental bias toward Mexicans makes you no more right (or moral) than Sailer--even if he, to use your hoary cliche, "doesn't like Mexicans".

What is this, junior high school? Even if someone is a confirmed bigot (which Sailer clearly is not) his argument has no more or less logical validity. Isn't this obvious? You have here two logical fallacies, going at it like mating slugs: arguing from consequences and ad hominem.

Anonymous said...

Funny that Sailer never comments about those cities in Mississippi and Arkansas that are 95% white and yet show zero creativity. The sins of Mexicans are forgivable when it comes to white people to Sailer.

I have said it before and I will say it again: Sailer's blog is nothing more than being about creating excuses to justify stopping Latin immigration which are nothing more than a façade for covering the true reason for why he doesen't want Latins: because he simply doesen't like them. All the "faults" that he sees in Mexicans immgrants are seen on the bottom half of white Americans, but Sailer doesen't suggest kicking them out, castrating them or euthanizing them. Epic bias. Epic prejudice. Epic just being a callous, foul person.


So, by your logic, everyone who wants to enter America is entitled to do so, and to deny their entry is "callous" and "foul." Got it. I'll concede the point. Now all I want to know is, is it callous and foul to deny entrance to people who want to enter Japan? South Africa? Israel? If not, why not?

Camlost said...

Funny that Sailer never comments about those cities in Mississippi and Arkansas that are 95% white and yet show zero creativity.

So, why don't you mention these "cities"?

Mississippi barely has 1.6 million whites in total, since the state is 37% black and 5-8% Mestizo.

Anything big enough to qualify as a "city" down South is not going to be anywhere near 95% white.

Until this century the North generally had 3-5 times the white population of the South.

Bantam said...

OT, Steve, you're obviously have not been tested in this study.

Hunsdon said...

Truth said: (BTW, I don't know if there is a less "hip" word in the English language, than "hip" itself, at this point.)

Hunsdon said: Don't worry, Truth. It'll come back! Hopefully not in a "meta" way.

svigor said...

Funny that Sailer never comments about those cities in Mississippi and Arkansas that are 95% white and yet show zero creativity. The sins of Mexicans are forgivable when it comes to white people to Sailer.

I have said it before and I will say it again: Sailer's blog is nothing more than being about creating excuses to justify stopping Latin immigration which are nothing more than a façade for covering the true reason for why he doesen't want Latins: because he simply doesen't like them. All the "faults" that he sees in Mexicans immgrants are seen on the bottom half of white Americans, but Sailer doesen't suggest kicking them out, castrating them or euthanizing them. Epic bias. Epic prejudice. Epic just being a callous, foul person.


You're like the open borders Whiskey, aren't you.

In short, we should smile at the people kicking our teeth in.

Once again, I must point out that you're complaining about how Americans treat (or want to treat) Mexicans and whomever, when Mexicans and whomever treat us like shit (Mexico, China, practically everyone offers our people far less than what we offer theirs, in terms of immigration policy, economic opportunity, rule of law, transparency, rights, and pretty much anything else you can name this side of "ethnic food.").

You're complaining about being offered much better terms than quid pro quo, you ungrateful cretin.

You're like the poster child for border control. With "friends" like you, who needs enemies? If the American people could read your attitude toward them before voting on whether to let you in, you'd still be wherever you're from (and, no doubt, happy as a pig in slop).

svigor said...

Land "taxes" and "property taxes" that recur every year are not "taxes." They're rent.

Bantam said...

er,

"...you're obviously have not been..."

Dumb guys like me were included instead!

Anonymous said...

Steve,

What's the golf course situation in the Pittsburgh area? Not a big golfer, but I remember wondering about that the last time I traveled to Pittsburgh, as the topography there seemed like it would be nice for golf.


Lots of great coursed due to the topography, of which Oakmont is the most famous private, and Olde Stonewall the most famous public.

Anonymous said...

NAM misbehavior is NOTHING compared to NEC misbehavior.


NEC = ???

[Non-European Caucasians? Non-Ethical Corporations?]

Thanks in advance.

ben tillman said...

Funny that Sailer never comments about those cities in Mississippi and Arkansas that are 95% white and yet show zero creativity.

I don't know what to say.

sunbeam said...

To me it appears that the US is re-segregating itself geographically.

At least as regards black people.

Anonymous said...

"Creativity flourishes in SMALL HOMOGENEOUS cities - compare Athens, Florence, Edinburgh (18th century) elizabethian london, spain AFTER they kicked out the jews and moors.. compare that to multiculti ottman empire.. who produced more great art?"

You mean Salt Lake City is more creative than NY or Paris? How come Canada has been less creative than the US. I don't see diversity or homogeneity as necessarily better for creativity. If there's too much diversity, it can lead to social collapse, and then no one has times or means to be creative. But if there's only homogeneity, it may limit the infusion of new ideas. It's not a zero sum game of either/or.

RKU said...

Well, I haven't followed this "hipster" list-ranking of most livable cities, but here's my take on the factors which go into it.

(1) Housing pretty cheap. There are lots of very nice cities to live in, but if housing is too expensive, the urban-hipsters can't live there, so they're probably scratched off the list.

(2) Not too dangerous. High urban crime rates mean that a good fraction of all American cities probably get dumped off the list.

(3) Not too huge. A "hipster list" would look silly if it had LA, NYC, or Chicago at the top, so you can't let those places win.

(4) Not too conservative or religious. Scratch Salt Lake City and and lots of Southern cities.

(5) Preferably on the Coast. "Fly-over" country isn't as hip as the Coasts.

My guess is that all of these factors easily outweigh bars, restaurants, or nightlife issues, which just decide who wins among the few cities that survive the #1-5 cut.

Maya said...

Does somebody go around counting coffee shops and whole food stores?

I live and work in a bible belt city that is predominantly black with a baptist church on every corner and extremely high crime rates. Still, there are more than enough coffee shops, hookah bars, small music venues, whole food stores and indie bands to make me pout when I don't get to go out and to allow me to grade hw in an oh so hip environment. These places are filled with white people with piercings, funny hats, dreadlocks and all the other bells and whistles. Of course, this city isn't as cool as my home town- Chicago, but it's probably a matter of size. Is there a metropolitan area in America that is larger than 1 million that doesn't have hipster infrastructure?

Defeated said...

I guess the Somalis of Maine will be loading up their "Joad Trucks" and head to Pittsburgh.

Chris said...

On SLC: It's a huge haven for snowboarders. Very popular destination for some subsets.

Hey, anybody remember the post on elevation?

My uncle lives in Denver and raised rodeo girls, drinks Bud. My brother is a Tour de France-watching hipster and recently moved to Denver. My uncle recently got a second home higher up in the mountains.

"Sailer's blog is nothing more than being about creating excuses to justify stopping Latin immigration which are nothing more than a façade for covering the true reason for why he doesen't want Latins: because he simply doesen't like them."

I think you're uncovering a chicken and egg problem here.

Anyway, why do we need to justify stopping Latin immigration instead of the reverse? (That's not actually question. Please don't ansewr.)

Anonymous said...

I think its great. Pa has lost a lot of young whites and Pittsburgh attracting them is great. yes, the cold north doesn't have as much hispanics and blacks and some folks are taking notice. Granted, Pittsburgh does have about a 20 percent black population.

Anthony said...

"You mean Salt Lake City is more creative than NY or Paris? How come Canada has been less creative than the US."

Not sure what metrics you're using, but ...

NY is much, much bigger than SLC (18.9M or 1.2M) and has long-established creative industries.

Canada is 1/10th the population of the U.S.